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Hello Everyone and hopefully you are all having a good holiday! Firstly, I am new to the hobby of keeping beetles and i saw some really cool goliath beetles at a reptile show which got me researching all these awesome flower and fruit beetles that appear to only be able to get in the UK? what is the reason behind this and i hope it is not because they are illegal to keep cause i want some very bad haha. thank you in advance.

 

Tundra

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It would be this https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/import-information/permits/regulated-organism-and-soil-permits and a Fish and Wildlife Service Permit:https://www.fws.gov/elicense/

But again please go for a US native first as a starter before a beetle from another country. Unless you already have kept native beetles.

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On 12/30/2021 at 3:27 PM, BensBeasts1 said:

It would be this https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/import-information/permits/regulated-organism-and-soil-permits and a Fish and Wildlife Service Permit:https://www.fws.gov/elicense/

But again please go for a US native first as a starter before a beetle from another country. Unless you already have kept native beetles.

have kept smaller native species before but we are looking for one of these currently :) Dynastes Tityus

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On 12/30/2021 at 9:14 PM, ArcticTundra83 said:

found a few people online but i was hoping to find someone in the hobby here that i would say is more trust worthy than the random online store

Just curious since this late in the year I would think there'd only be one breeder with adult D. tityus available because of the number of generations it takes to throw off the cycle and because larvae are usually what is available since they require little investment from the breeder. 

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1. Reptile permits most definitely don’t work because they would inspect the items, end up finding insects instead of reptiles, then burn/kill them.

2. All insects and various hobby invertebrates are illegal to cross state lines and import without permits, but the government doesn’t care what happens inside the country, they are just focused on imports.

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On 1/13/2022 at 6:47 PM, BensBeasts1 said:

1. Reptile permits most definitely don’t work because they would inspect the items, end up finding insects instead of reptiles, then burn/kill them.

2. All insects and various hobby invertebrates are illegal to cross state lines and import without permits, but the government doesn’t care what happens inside the country, they are just focused on imports.

Incorrect on 2. Plenty of insects do not require permits for interstate movement, in general, native/naturalized obligate carnivores and some detritivores, such as native/naturalized millipedes. The issue with restricting/inspecting interstate movements is privacy rights means that packages cannot be inspected in the same way the government can demand at Customs. Insects are small and easily smuggled through mail. 

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That’s funny, Every USDA person I’ve talked to including my Aunt who works there and the Head Entomologist at USDA says that, every invertebrate that is in the hobby requires a permit, for interstate transport. Many need a USFWS permit.

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https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/import-information/permits/plant-pests/330-web-lists/plant-pest-list
Here are some published species-level exceptions, but then there are also plenty of general orders/families that do not require permits if native/naturalized. For example, while exotic mantids are illegal, native and naturalized species, such as Brunneria borealis and Tenodera sinensis respectively, have no federal permit requirements. 
My source(s) here are the two primary USDA senior entomologists in charge of issuing the permits to butterfly houses and similar captive collections of exotic insects. 

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I am aware that there are multiple species that are unregulated otherwise we wouldn’t have feeders available to everyone as well as beneficial pest management. I’m mainly talking about the claim that exotic beetles that are interstate transported are legal to ship without permits.

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