ArcticTundra83 Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 Hello Everyone and hopefully you are all having a good holiday! Firstly, I am new to the hobby of keeping beetles and i saw some really cool goliath beetles at a reptile show which got me researching all these awesome flower and fruit beetles that appear to only be able to get in the UK? what is the reason behind this and i hope it is not because they are illegal to keep cause i want some very bad haha. thank you in advance. Tundra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BensBeasts1 Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 They are illegal to keep without proper permits. Though Goliathus is legal. I would start with an easy native species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticTundra83 Posted December 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 On 12/30/2021 at 2:58 PM, BensBeasts1 said: They are illegal to keep without proper permits. but can you go about getting the proper permits to keep them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BensBeasts1 Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 It would be this https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/import-information/permits/regulated-organism-and-soil-permits and a Fish and Wildlife Service Permit:https://www.fws.gov/elicense/ But again please go for a US native first as a starter before a beetle from another country. Unless you already have kept native beetles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticTundra83 Posted December 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 On 12/30/2021 at 3:27 PM, BensBeasts1 said: It would be this https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/import-information/permits/regulated-organism-and-soil-permits and a Fish and Wildlife Service Permit:https://www.fws.gov/elicense/ But again please go for a US native first as a starter before a beetle from another country. Unless you already have kept native beetles. have kept smaller native species before but we are looking for one of these currently Dynastes Tityus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BensBeasts1 Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 Alrighty then good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynastes Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 On 12/30/2021 at 6:33 PM, ArcticTundra83 said: have kept smaller native species before but we are looking for one of these currently Dynastes Tityus Where are you looking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticTundra83 Posted December 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 On 12/30/2021 at 6:08 PM, Dynastes said: Where are you looking? found a few people online but i was hoping to find someone in the hobby here that i would say is more trust worthy than the random online store Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynastes Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 On 12/30/2021 at 9:14 PM, ArcticTundra83 said: found a few people online but i was hoping to find someone in the hobby here that i would say is more trust worthy than the random online store Just curious since this late in the year I would think there'd only be one breeder with adult D. tityus available because of the number of generations it takes to throw off the cycle and because larvae are usually what is available since they require little investment from the breeder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticTundra83 Posted January 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2022 Guess there are more breeders with them than some think then? I found a couple people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmosphere Posted January 12, 2022 Report Share Posted January 12, 2022 Arctic, let me know if you have any leads. Been looking for some big Dynastes tityus males for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingSwampert Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 12/30/2021 at 6:00 PM, ArcticTundra83 said: but can you go about getting the proper permits to keep them? They're illegal to IMPORT without permits, but you should be ok if the beetles are already here. A standard reptile permit works for imports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BensBeasts1 Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 1. Reptile permits most definitely don’t work because they would inspect the items, end up finding insects instead of reptiles, then burn/kill them. 2. All insects and various hobby invertebrates are illegal to cross state lines and import without permits, but the government doesn’t care what happens inside the country, they are just focused on imports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Menagerie Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 6:47 PM, BensBeasts1 said: 1. Reptile permits most definitely don’t work because they would inspect the items, end up finding insects instead of reptiles, then burn/kill them. 2. All insects and various hobby invertebrates are illegal to cross state lines and import without permits, but the government doesn’t care what happens inside the country, they are just focused on imports. Incorrect on 2. Plenty of insects do not require permits for interstate movement, in general, native/naturalized obligate carnivores and some detritivores, such as native/naturalized millipedes. The issue with restricting/inspecting interstate movements is privacy rights means that packages cannot be inspected in the same way the government can demand at Customs. Insects are small and easily smuggled through mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BensBeasts1 Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 That’s funny, Every USDA person I’ve talked to including my Aunt who works there and the Head Entomologist at USDA says that, every invertebrate that is in the hobby requires a permit, for interstate transport. Many need a USFWS permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Menagerie Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/import-information/permits/plant-pests/330-web-lists/plant-pest-list Here are some published species-level exceptions, but then there are also plenty of general orders/families that do not require permits if native/naturalized. For example, while exotic mantids are illegal, native and naturalized species, such as Brunneria borealis and Tenodera sinensis respectively, have no federal permit requirements. My source(s) here are the two primary USDA senior entomologists in charge of issuing the permits to butterfly houses and similar captive collections of exotic insects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BensBeasts1 Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 I am aware that there are multiple species that are unregulated otherwise we wouldn’t have feeders available to everyone as well as beneficial pest management. I’m mainly talking about the claim that exotic beetles that are interstate transported are legal to ship without permits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingSwampert Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 6:47 PM, BensBeasts1 said: 1. Reptile permits most definitely don’t work because they would inspect the items, end up finding insects instead of reptiles, then burn/kill them. 2. All insects and various hobby invertebrates are illegal to cross state lines and import without permits, but the government doesn’t care what happens inside the country, they are just focused on imports. Sorry, I meant one of those exotic animal ones, most people use them for reptiles so that's why I called them that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingSwampert Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 On 12/30/2021 at 4:28 PM, ArcticTundra83 said: Hello Everyone and hopefully you are all having a good holiday! Firstly, I am new to the hobby of keeping beetles and i saw some really cool goliath beetles at a reptile show which got me researching all these awesome flower and fruit beetles that appear to only be able to get in the UK? what is the reason behind this and i hope it is not because they are illegal to keep cause i want some very bad haha. thank you in advance. Tundra Here are a few websites: https://bugsincyberspace.com/ https://richardsinverts-store.com/ (UK, but ships larva to US) http://titan.insectweb.org/beetleshop/ (Asia, ships to US) and always watch Instagram and this forum for hobbyists who already have beetles selling them! I've got many exotic beetles through this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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