FlamingSwampert Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 I think we should, as a community, create a guide on how to get the permits required to import beetles. Some people have got them, so the process has been discovered and proven to be possible. We should create a guide so more people can get the permits and bring more species into the US hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingSwampert Posted December 31, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 I believe the permits in question are "aphis-ppq" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmosphere Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 If only it were that easy... 🥲 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingSwampert Posted January 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 On 1/2/2023 at 10:12 AM, Ratmosphere said: If only it were that easy... 🥲 Yeah... I hope we can make the process clearer and easier to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmosphere Posted January 3, 2023 Report Share Posted January 3, 2023 I'm pretty sure only people who work for museums are able to get approved. Also, a select few keepers in the US get the option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingSwampert Posted January 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2023 On 1/3/2023 at 8:46 AM, Ratmosphere said: I'm pretty sure only people who work for museums are able to get approved. Also, a select few keepers in the US get the option. I'm not so sure, I've seen people sell larvae of foreign species. It may be very difficult, but I'm sure it's possible for private collectors to get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmosphere Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 But are you sure these people actually have permits? Most bypass all of that and just import them anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingSwampert Posted January 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 On 1/4/2023 at 7:58 AM, Ratmosphere said: But are you sure these people actually have permits? Most bypass all of that and just import them anyways. I would hope that they do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmosphere Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 A majority don’t, trust me. It’s way too easy just to import them into the states by taking the risk. I do not condone it however. I do agree that the process should be a bit easier, but I get why it’s so hard to obtain at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hisserdude Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 On 1/3/2023 at 4:09 PM, FlamingSwampert said: I'm not so sure, I've seen people sell larvae of foreign species. It may be very difficult, but I'm sure it's possible for private collectors to get one. 100% none of those people have permits for them... It's nearly impossible for pet hobbyists to get the permits needed to keep exotic beetles, and that's just a fact. However the USDA has been very lax in enforcing the laws regarding keeping exotic scarabs for the last decade, and so for the past few years exotics have been smuggled into the US and are being kept illegally on a an increasingly larger and larger scale. Without more funding it'd be extremely difficult or impossible for the USDA/APHIS to actually do anything about it now, so they seem to be just letting it slide for the time being and focusing on more high concern, agriculture damaging invert groups. California has a weird legal loophole where you can keep exotic stag beetles legally, and Goliathus are legalized in the US, but that's about it for exotics here. Unless you work at a museum, for a university, etc., you can't get the permits needed to legally keep most exotic beetles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingSwampert Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 On 1/8/2023 at 5:41 PM, Hisserdude said: 100% none of those people have permits for them... It's nearly impossible for pet hobbyists to get the permits needed to keep exotic beetles, and that's just a fact. However the USDA has been very lax in enforcing the laws regarding keeping exotic scarabs for the last decade, and so for the past few years exotics have been smuggled into the US and are being kept illegally on a an increasingly larger and larger scale. Without more funding it'd be extremely difficult or impossible for the USDA/APHIS to actually do anything about it now, so they seem to be just letting it slide for the time being and focusing on more high concern, agriculture damaging invert groups. California has a weird legal loophole where you can keep exotic stag beetles legally, and Goliathus are legalized in the US, but that's about it for exotics here. Unless you work at a museum, for a university, etc., you can't get the permits needed to legally keep most exotic beetles. Very interesting... thanks for the clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshSud Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 Those with permits can only sell to other permitted individuals or insitutions from my understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Weed Posted April 19, 2023 Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 Little late replying on this but wouldn't the best option be to try and go the goliathus beetle way and lobby to have rhino, flower and stag beetles legalized also. Most wouldn't pose a significant risk as pests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingSwampert Posted April 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2023 On 4/19/2023 at 12:52 AM, May Weed said: Little late replying on this but wouldn't the best option be to try and go the goliathus beetle way and lobby to have rhino, flower and stag beetles legalized also. Most wouldn't pose a significant risk as pests. Ideally yes but that would require cooperation from government employees, who likely have more pressing issues to attend to. But if anyone is going to pursue this route, please keep us posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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