Matt Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 It's been a few years since I last saw any live Mantichora for sale at a show in Germany. I went to a show in the UK last weekend and could not resist getting a pair of these. So far the female has destroyed a Morio worm and a medium sized locust - those jaws seem to make short work of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynastes Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I miss seeing Anthia and Mantichora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hisserdude Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Awsome!! We can only hope that one day, we will see these in the USA. Awsome beetles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manticora Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 oh yeah!!! that's what i'm talkin about,been wanting these for years,this has got to be my most favorite predatory beetle hands down,well i'm hopeing............and hopeing i will have some.....someday,you are very lucky to have them anthias rock aswell,another impressive beetle too. enjoy them,i'm sure you won't get bored w/them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pannaking22 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Super jealous! Enjoy keeping them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardshell Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 hope u can breed them :D:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanas Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 do you know how to breed them? i can tell you if needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 do you know how to breed them? i can tell you if needed I'd be interested in any information you have on the possible breeding of these - all I have is the paper from Bristol Zoo in the UK from a few years back when they got larvae to about L5 but, as far as I know, never got beyond that. The same with Anthia species - people say it can be done but there appears to be nothing published on the subject in any depth. Any links, papers or general info would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanas Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 you need 12 inches of clay for egg laying. larvae take 6 months to become adults. feed them anything that moves;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Thanks Steve - I have a feeling from what I have read that it might be slightly more tricky than that. Larvae were produced at Bristol Zoo a few years back only after some fairly longterm preparation attempting to mimic the dry season / rainy season weather patterns they experience in the wild. Larvae went through several instars but there was no information regarding any attempts at pupation. I have that paper in print form, nothing electronic. For other info on the biology of these beetles see http://www.nev.nl/tve/pdf/te0143071.pdf and http://thesmallermajority.com/2013/05/28/mozambique-diary-manticora-redux/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynastes Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I say try damp coconut fiber, it's amazing what lays eggs in that stuff. If you try what's already been tried or what has been suggested you're doomed to fail like the thousand others who've gave it a shot, myself included. On the up side they do live for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanas Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Peter Grabowitz has bred them successfully using the techniques i just described. The whole think with the monsoon season is not required whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I actually bought this pair off Peter, who also had some Anthia species for sale at the same time. He did say it was possible to breed Anthia (with difficulty) but said nothing about the Mantichora. TBH, I'm pretty sure if he had managed to breed these we would have heard about it by now, either on his Facebook page or his website. London Zoo report producing a single Anthia adult "by accident" in one of their display houses and a photo of what is claimed to be an Anthia larvae appeared on Facebook recently, though I can't get a poroper translation of all the comments - https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.493117520806058.1073741829.302466563204489&type=3. A few other enthusiasts report hopeful signs in their Anthia enclosures but nothing definate at present. Pehaps you mean Anthia, not Mantichora? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanas Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 no no, he was acting very secretive about breeding the manticora too….but maybe he mixed up the two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardshell Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 breeding ground beetles are hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manticora Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 yeah, but it's the challenge,fun in keeping them and yes w/right requirements......bingo!:-) those larva are amazing critters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hisserdude Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Any news on breeding these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizentrop Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Hi everyone, just wanted to share my experiences. While I have no data on breeding Mantichora, Anthia breeding is possible, but very very tricky.That larva photo in the link that Matt posted is indeed an Anthia sexmaculata L1 with 100% certainty. The L1 is an active predator that prefers to hunt soft-bodied insects. Getting to this stage in the breeding is relatively easy if you know a little bit about the biology and habitat of the beetles (these are psammophile beetles found in the desert). Each female lays a single HUGE egg from which this larva hatches. On very rare occasions with good conditions and feeding, a female can lay 2 eggs. How to trigger them to lay eggs is another story (see last paragraph).While Anthia adults can live for years, they have a very short life cycle or development. They hatch from the egg at an enormous size (think of it as if they lost the first larval stage, in which they were supposed to be tiny), so there are only two intars. The L2 larva of Anthia looks completely different from L1. It is pale, fat, with very short legs and essentially immobile, making it look more like a grub rather than a carabid larva. Feeding at this stage is extremely difficult and must be done by hand, as the larva barely moves. In the wild they feed on ant brood in the nest or in a chamber made by L1 that connects to the nest. The larva is also extremely sticky at this stage (not sure if it helps it in feeding), which can later cause problems in pupation.As for Mantichora, it is a tiger beetle. I would assume that for good breeding you need moist, almost wet, clay-type soil with a good depth to allow the larvae to burrow vertically or diagonally. Most tiger beetles I know are extremely seasonal (much like carabids). So some experimenting with temps and humidity level is a must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 If you have any additional information or tips on Anthia breeding, do please let us know. I'm intregued by the comments on the different appearances of the L1 and L2 larvae, is there any published info on that. I presume the females must lay more than 1 or 2 eggs in their lifetime in the wild - the trick is getting them to do it in captivity I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizentrop Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Hi Matt, the paper you are searching about Anthia larvae is this one: Paarmann, W. "A reduced number of larval instars, as an adaptation of the desert carabid beetle Thermophilum (Anthia) sexmaculatum F. (Coleoptera, Carabidae) to its arid environment." Miscellaneous Papers 18 (1979): 113-117.Unfortunately, I do not have it (I read it when I was visiting a carabid specialist in Germany) and it is extremely difficult to get it online.What I meant to say was that an Anthia female lays 1-2 huge eggs every breeding season. The beetles can survive at least 3 years in captivity (from my experience), so potentially you can get more eggs out of a female. Mating the beetles is super easy. In the wild, Anthia lay eggs straight after the rains, so to trigger a female to lay you would have to think of a way to mimic a sudden increase of moisture (both in air and substrate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Thanks for the reference, I'll ask the Librarian at the Royal Ent Soc if they have the paper in the library anywhere - they should have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 They did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizentrop Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Glad to hear that. You might also want to check another refernce by the same author about the biology of Graphipterus serrator larvae in ant nests. Very intersting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 If you mean: "Ecological, behavioural and chemical adaptations to ant predation in species of Thermophilum and Graphipterus (Coleoptera: Carabidae) in the Sahara desert" then I have that one already - interesting reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizentrop Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 This one is good as well, I actually meant an earlier paper:Paarman W (1985) Larvae preying on ant broods: an adaptation of the desert carabid beetle Graphiperus serrator Forsskal (Col., Carabidae) to arid environments. Journal of Arid Environments 9: 210–214.This tribe has such interesting and beautiful beetles. Graphipterus is cute (with the velcro sound it makes while running) and one of my favorite carabids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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