Sara
Pupa
Dear wounderful people of the beetle forum,
C woodi that need to pupate....
I have been keeping C Woodi for a number of years and there life cycle seems to play out within a year. I have had some take as long as 2 years to pupate.. at a constant temp of 78-80 degrees.
I started with one pair that pair became 15 those 15 became 82. So i am familiar with what is normal for them .. at least at my place..
The Problem
I have a friend that had a colony that has been refusing to pupate this will be year number 3 going on 4 "in his frustration with his lack of success I ended up with them" The substrate "which is normally the problem" seems to be stellar for C woodi. I read an article talking about how 3 years is normal for them .. but that hasn't been the case with me. Anyone else have this happen?
So I ask, any one have any idea on triggering a pupation? There are about 18 grubs "from what I can see" they have all dug nice cells and are in pre pupation behavior however non have made the jump to actually pupating. They are all alive and seem fine but are just laying in there cells, no discoloration , no legs bending backwards, when they do move is with a slight spinning behavior but more like shifting from side to side . I broke 3 out just to make sure they weren't defective and with in a week had reconstructed new cells..laying there with identical behavior as before.... Supposedly they have been like this for 2 years.. must be magic...
I have a few ideas...
"Bad Idea # 1" I was thinking of introducing a cold cycle with a mini reptile incubator/ freezer... I had lost allot of reptile eggs last summer so I switched to these
http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/reptile-supplies/reptile-incubators/-/lllreptile-pro-mr148-incubator/ I have been quite pleased with the results how ever the digital display lights get old really quick not a good one to put in the bedroom at night let me tell ya!!
However they work so well I was thinking of getting another one for the new beetle herd. What temps and cycles time would you recommend?
"Bad Idea # 2" I was also thinking of relocating them with some of my current herd of c. woodi grubs that are similar size. Possibly when they pupate it might trigger the late bloomers into pupating? Any ideas?
"Bad Idea # 3" They seem to be beyond wanting to eat so I am not sure how moving them to new substrate would do. Any thoughts sould I move them anyway?
"Bad Idea # 4" Container shape? I have a beetle breeding guide from japan where they speak of it being an issue.. haven't had the problem my self but i guess anything is possible.. they mention jewlies wont pupate in a square container... mine do so i think this is out..
Bad Idea # 5 Wait and see if anything happends ever..
They might be doomed but if anyone has any ideas or advice i would LOVE to hear it.
thanks in advance
Sara
C woodi that need to pupate....
I have been keeping C Woodi for a number of years and there life cycle seems to play out within a year. I have had some take as long as 2 years to pupate.. at a constant temp of 78-80 degrees.
I started with one pair that pair became 15 those 15 became 82. So i am familiar with what is normal for them .. at least at my place..
The Problem
I have a friend that had a colony that has been refusing to pupate this will be year number 3 going on 4 "in his frustration with his lack of success I ended up with them" The substrate "which is normally the problem" seems to be stellar for C woodi. I read an article talking about how 3 years is normal for them .. but that hasn't been the case with me. Anyone else have this happen?
So I ask, any one have any idea on triggering a pupation? There are about 18 grubs "from what I can see" they have all dug nice cells and are in pre pupation behavior however non have made the jump to actually pupating. They are all alive and seem fine but are just laying in there cells, no discoloration , no legs bending backwards, when they do move is with a slight spinning behavior but more like shifting from side to side . I broke 3 out just to make sure they weren't defective and with in a week had reconstructed new cells..laying there with identical behavior as before.... Supposedly they have been like this for 2 years.. must be magic...
I have a few ideas...
"Bad Idea # 1" I was thinking of introducing a cold cycle with a mini reptile incubator/ freezer... I had lost allot of reptile eggs last summer so I switched to these
http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/reptile-supplies/reptile-incubators/-/lllreptile-pro-mr148-incubator/ I have been quite pleased with the results how ever the digital display lights get old really quick not a good one to put in the bedroom at night let me tell ya!!
However they work so well I was thinking of getting another one for the new beetle herd. What temps and cycles time would you recommend?
"Bad Idea # 2" I was also thinking of relocating them with some of my current herd of c. woodi grubs that are similar size. Possibly when they pupate it might trigger the late bloomers into pupating? Any ideas?
"Bad Idea # 3" They seem to be beyond wanting to eat so I am not sure how moving them to new substrate would do. Any thoughts sould I move them anyway?
"Bad Idea # 4" Container shape? I have a beetle breeding guide from japan where they speak of it being an issue.. haven't had the problem my self but i guess anything is possible.. they mention jewlies wont pupate in a square container... mine do so i think this is out..
Bad Idea # 5 Wait and see if anything happends ever..
They might be doomed but if anyone has any ideas or advice i would LOVE to hear it.
thanks in advance
Sara
