The Ultimate Guide to Breeding Beetles, Coleoptera Laboratory Culture Methods

Even if I didn't care about people in my own country working the initial investment is hardly worthwhile for a niche book that might never sell enough copies to break even. I hope that if you ever make something you're excited and proud of that nobody will make silly requests and impossible suggestions in an attempt to rain on your parade.
Hey, it was only an innocent suggestion, and yes, I've published and wrote many of my own books (9HB, 8SB
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). I know the feeling, i was only suggesting, that's all.

You should easily sell enough copies to break even.

I hardly think anything i wrote was an 'impossible suggestion', i know how much print costs, i probably know a hell of a lot more about it than you, i was only saying that's all.

Good luck with your book, i will certainly be buying a copy and i look forward to reading it. No need to get all defensive about it.

 
I hardly think anything i wrote was an 'impossible suggestion', i know how much print costs, i probably know a hell of a lot more about it than you,...
Not impossible? What would you do throw away any books in print, throw away the ISBN and any agreements, invest at least $20,000 or more in printing and shipping 1,000 new books, and pray you could sell them in the next decade? There's even more to it than you realize but mostly the problem is finding someone sitting on a load of money interested in investing in a loss. I wouldn't mind investing in a loss but maybe that's why I don't have an extra twenty thousand laying around. Would you be willing to invest the money and store and sell the books to prove it isn't truly impossible?

 
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Hey Orin, it was a suggestion for the next book, that's all.

Please don't read anything malicious into it, it was just an idea. That's all.

There's not more to it than i realise, it's what i do for a living Orin. Its what i live, breathe and sleep.
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Just going back to the original point,. no ones saying anything bad about the book at all, people just gave their idea's that's all. I honestly think you are taking this the wrong way. hey, no need to be like that, good luck with the book and , like i say, I'll be getting one no problem about that! I'm sure it's a damn sight better than anything i could ever hope to write about beetles.

 
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Hey Orin, it was a suggestion for the next book, that's all.

Please don't read anything malicious into it, it was just an idea. That's all.
Feel free to post a link to one of your books. I'm not sure it would feasible for any books of this type without a large unwaranted initial investment. This is something I do for love of the hobby, if I were doing it for money I would have quit before I started but I'm also certainly not going to try to borrow tens of thousands of dollars I can't pay back. If you have resources for investment and marketing of this genre I'm all ears.

I didn't say your comments were malicious, but they certainly were neither considerate nor helpful.

There's not more to it than i realise, it's what i do for a living Orin. Its what i live, breathe and sleep.
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You don't think pretending to know everything about a genre you admit you don't know and circumstances you can't know is maybe a tiny bit presumptive?

 
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OK I give in.

Hope the book goes really well.
I'd rather you gave out (than gave in
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) useful marketing suggestions. The book isn't likely to go at all well. I like to blame it on general lack of interest in the subject matter but were I to have marketing knowhow I might well find that theory disproven.

 
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Hey, Orin, I do find it possible for your book to succeed. As soon as I get a copy (when I'm back from FL) I'll give it a read and then spread the word about it on my page! I really would love to help you out. I think beetle breeding could become popular in the US, as it is in Japan (and other asian countries).

I'd be willing to help you out in any way possible.

Maybe some mass advertising to groups around FaceBoo groups that fall into your potential following crowd? I don't know.
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I really would like to make the US a beetle breeding place, where one can drive a few miles to find another beetle breeder to trade with. That's the goal.
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AT LEAST...

 
As far as this hardback thing goes... maybe if this book really takes off, you can release a 2nd edition with a hardback cover and some new content (I have some Dorcus parallelus I could lend you this time if they are not in this one).

I KNOW this is far fetched for now... but if this book meets your goals, then it is something to think about.
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Hell... I'd buy it!!!
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Hey, Orin, I do find it possible for your book to succeed.
Thanks Ryan I appreciate any help you can provide. I think the book is successful because it exists, it's a labor of love and I'm very happy with it. I didn't think I'd ever see something in full color and large format and not stapled together. I was only saying the sales will likely contintue to be very dismal, so far only two copies sold and both to my friends. It would be great to sell a thousand of them and be able to print them in a more cost effective manner but it's just not possible without a large investment and is realistically impossible after the fact (you couldn't unmake and unsell to redo). I guess it would be like working a decade to get to the olympics and being excited to even qualify but your family just says you shouldn't even go if you're not going to get the gold medal. I think we should be able to be proud of our accomplishments even if we aren't the superstar. I think the beetle guides have greatly helped the hobby over the years as before there wasn't anyone keeping beetles. Lastly, hardcovers normally preceed softcovers, I don't know if it ever has worked the other way.

 
I tell you... when I'm back from FL, and I put the money in the bank, you will have more copies sold
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. Haha! AT LEAST one. That I know for sure.

 
I got it! not allowed it yet but managed ten minutes to browse through before being taken away until my birthday. Looks a great book!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi Orin, hard covers don't cost that much extra. You'd be surprised.
Johnboy, you may have been right though not in a mass production China option. The publisher mentioned there's a brand new printing process that makes color printing much cheaper, so much so that the price could be dropped, and hard cover added if it looks good (the final product may not be of decent quality and the paper has to be thinner for the machinery). The price would be even lower in paperback but I'd prefer to see it redone in hardcover. Of course the edition would need a new ISBN, reworked base file and license but it would be really nice if it works out.

 
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Why is this Book so good ?

Is ths different to For the Love Stag /Rhinoceros Beetle ?

Greetings,

Mashku.
This book is good because it includes sections on rhinoceros and stag beetles as well as greatly expanded and updated information on flower beetles and jewel scarabs as well as chapters on rearing darkling and dung beetles and other groups. It is a much more comprehensive book written also for people who don't have access to mat, mushroom log, and other store bought supplies.

It is very different from the Love of stag book since only the sections on flower and jewel scarabs in that book were written in 1999 by the same author and they are greatly expanded on here (the same author's chapter in For the Love on Phileurini is pared down). Various interesting groups are included and the concentration is on the Eastern Hercules beetle versus the South American Hercules in the rhino section.

 
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Is there a chance you might release a 2nd version eventually, with more on American Dorcus? Because I've been finding more and more about them.
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I ordered the soft cover version (heard the picture quality was better) from Amazon on Wednesday, should be here within an hour or so. Cant wait!

 
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