Reproducable Goliathus goliatus x Regius on sale on website.

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Hello, 

We are now selling few breeding pairs of Goliathus goliatus x Regius, and larvae F2 that are produced between hybrids.

Many said it was not possible to get offspring, but you never know until you try it yourself. :)

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Are the offspring you got from the hybrid pairings able to reproduce? I think that’s the question that a lot of us are asking. 

 
Some people actually knew that such hybrids can reproduce about 3 years ago :)

Asking sometimes helps  :)

 

 
Max said:
Some people actually knew that such hybrids can reproduce about 3 years ago :)

Asking sometimes helps  :)

 
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Well, many still believe this is not possible and have sent many doubtful feedbacks. So, I'm informing people of many with such info. :)  

Also don't want to hear it from someone who believes mites found in beetle captivities are 'the good' when clearly it's not the good case.  :)   

Asking sometimes helps.  :)  

 
wow, someone is taking it personal... 

Trying to recall when did I say that the mites in beetle captivities are good...

Could you please provide my citation  and some reliable information that this is wrong ?

 
Not to cast any doubt whether it is possible or not, but selling hybrids for continuous reproduction feels wrong to me, because you are diluting the prevalence of the true species in captive breeding. Look no further than the situation with hisser roaches and why it is difficult to source pure Gromphadorhina portentosa in the US.
Ok, rant over - happy selling!

 
wizentrop said:
Not to cast any doubt whether it is possible or not, but selling hybrids for continuous reproduction feels wrong to me, because you are diluting the prevalence of the true species in captive breeding. Look no further than the situation with hisser roaches and why it is difficult to source pure Gromphadorhina portentosa in the US.
Ok, rant over - happy selling!
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The same thing has happened with Mecynorhina torquata ugandensis.  It seems that most (if not all) of this ssp. currently in culture have Mecynorhina torquata torquata admixture.  I'm not sure if any truly pure M. torquata ugandensis are even in culture anymore.

 
Goliathus said:
The same thing has happened with Mecynorhina torquata ugandensis.  It seems that most (if not all) of this ssp. currently in culture have Mecynorhina torquata torquata admixture.  I'm not sure if any truly pure M. torquata ugandensis are even in culture anymore.
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I feel like hybridizing Goliathus sp. is inevitable in the U.S because the gene pool is really low..unless someone keeps illegally or legally(which is hard) importing them of course. I've heard that most Goliathus species are greatly weakened after the F3 generation. 

 
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Regius reproduction weakens faster than that, you often can see decrease the number of the larvae even in second and third generation. Goliathus orientalis slightly more resilient, however, it is quite substantial after F3 as well. GG probably somewhere in between, however, frankly speaking I never paid attention to GG as normally it was pretty common on the European market in the past. Then when I realized that my quadrimaculatus line produces a fraction of the larvae expected I started looking for some new blood and suddenly I could not find any :)

 
wizentrop said:
Not to cast any doubt whether it is possible or not, but selling hybrids for continuous reproduction feels wrong to me, because you are diluting the prevalence of the true species in captive breeding. Look no further than the situation with hisser roaches and why it is difficult to source pure Gromphadorhina portentosa in the US.
Ok, rant over - happy selling!
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That is what attracted my attention in the first place. Creating hybrids for the sake of the preservation of any genetic material from the loss due to inbreeding is not a bad idea. However, selling live hybrids to anyone/everyone will nullify any potential of any scientific significance of the line of such rare species.  Some hybrids offspring may look very similar to native gg or gr and potentially could be used in breeding of these two species, thus creating an admixture instead of pure species...

 
Insect hybrids are interesting, and that's about it. I see it with lepidoptera, and while interesting, it's frankly boring to me. Maybe some

Graellsia isabellae hybrids with Actias sp, but, it's a dead end.

Maybe beetles are different, but as a collector, I'm not after lab creations.

 
kevink said:
Insect hybrids are interesting, and that's about it. I see it with lepidoptera, and while interesting, it's frankly boring to me. Maybe some

Graellsia isabellae hybrids with Actias sp, but, it's a dead end.

Maybe beetles are different, but as a collector, I'm not after lab creations.
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Among Lepidoptera, the variety of Agrias / Prepona hybrids appears to be quite substantial.  Many of these hybrids are indeed incredibly beautiful, although I myself do not have any in my collection.

 
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