Worms in fermented sub

PowerHobo

Chalcosoma
So this is a little new to me, and I'm wondering if anyone has had a similar experience.

I don't use found materials in my sub. It is 100% traeger oak pellets, oat bran, yeast, and a handful of larval frass. Last year I made and went through somewhere around 40-50 gallons of sub (most of which was fermented outdoors) and never saw a single worm. I had some green bottle flies pupate in it for some reason, but no worms.

I finished the last of that sub around 3 months ago, and have been using newer sub made the same way, but fermented entirely indoors. Every single larvae container I have now has earthworms in it. Some of them have enough that when I dump a container the entire bottom-most compressed layer is just a loose net of reddish-brown. I'm also finding eggs all over the place which I assume are the worms'. They look a lot like G thula eggs. I've never seen worm eggs before, so that was interesting, at least.

Unfortunately, it does look like I lost a D tityus to these little jerks, as I found a partially caved-in pupal cell with a black grub inside.

What I found very interesting is that when I dug through my sub bins I didn't find a single worm, so it's only my larval containers.

I'm going to be freezing this sub in batches and rotating it out, but I'm still definitely wondering how they got into my larval containers in the first place. Most of these larvae are over a year old, so I don't think it's anything they carried in with them, I can't imagine worm eggs surviving the pressing process that makes oak pellets, and I wash my hands and tools (for scooping) between containers to avoid transferring mites, etc., so how did they get into every single container?

Things That Make You Say, "Huh," for $600.

Edit: Correction: I do have two flower beetle larvae containers that use found oak leaf litter substrate, but I don't use any of my fermented sub with that, so there shouldn't be any cross contamination going on there, plus it has been frozen twice. Additionally, that sub and my other sub doesn't ever get handled on the same days as my other containers just due to receiving the larvae between my monthly beetle checks.

 
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Being 100% Traeger Grill pellet does not have anything to do with "infection-free." It is not like sterilized, Hahaha

If any insects ever enter into your place, and/or your container, they sure can "breed" in your substrate very shortly. Since I wasn't there, and you are confident about no infection can ever happened because you kept your substrate off of anything found outdoor, I cannot, and probably no one can ever say a word about it. No answers to such question. What worm is it you found in your substrate? Earthworm, like the earthworm you find in soil that can grow over couple inches long? or worms that is white colored, very small sized, maybe half an inch long? If you are talking about the latter one, it could be larvae of mushroom flies. They can easily come into from everywhere. Try keep your containers in filtered cabinet or try use filter sheets inside your container. Also, keeping your substrate batch safe, and free of infection is very important to keep pest-free environment. Keeping anything alive in a place can attract all kinds of pests. Even humans bringing in ticks, bedbugs, and such as they come and goes out of their own place. Keeping beetles, usually attracts mites, mushroom flies, fruit flies, etc.

 
Traeger oak pellets are pretty sanitary because they are heated to very high temps in order to be compressed to what they are. So unless the product bag was compromised after it was made...which i doubt because his main batch wasn't contaminated. Just the individual containers.

Depending on the filter you have set up to prevent pest from coming into containers, it's possible to be larvae of flies or brought in hitchhikers found on the flies themselves making contact with your substrate. Even it's just the surface...not sure though. Very odd. Hope you get it figured out because it sounds like a pain...

 
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