Yellowfin2na Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 I am happy to report that all three of my Chrysina Gloriosa have formed pupil chambers. The Chrysina Woodii have not formed anything yet but the wandering has stopped. Most of my Woodii are over 4 grams with some reaching into the high 6 gram range. I am curious to know how much larger they will grow before they start to turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug slayer Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 Would you sell any of the adults Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowfin2na Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 8 hours ago, Bug slayer said: Would you sell any of the adults I am sorry my friend I am new to the game and will be utilizing the adults to establish a new generation for my hobby. You may want to check with Scottbot84 as I think he has a lot of larvae and may be willing to part with a few adults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuissettHouse Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Hey, I would hate to resurrect a dead thread (I don't think we're there quite yet?... It hasn't been ridiculously long), but I have to ask. Where has everyone been getting the clay they use for their successful pupation? Do you guys buy it? Or do you go collect it from somewhere? Also, how long (in your experience) has their diapause taken? I've had some that are in cells they constructed, and they're clearly alive and look like healthy L3 grubs shortly before pupation, but it's been pushing six months now that some of them have been in the pupal cells. Are they gone? Or is this still within the range or normal diapause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynastes TItyus hunter Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 I've been using this product. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01L11YDQ8/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B01L11YDQ8&linkCode=as2&tag=bugsincyber03-20&linkId=5c6f96133a1928ea6667101b85cb1b58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goliathus Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 49 minutes ago, QuissettHouse said: Hey, I would hate to resurrect a dead thread (I don't think we're there quite yet?... It hasn't been ridiculously long), but I have to ask. Where has everyone been getting the clay they use for their successful pupation? Do you guys buy it? Or do you go collect it from somewhere? Also, how long (in your experience) has their diapause taken? I've had some that are in cells they constructed, and they're clearly alive and look like healthy L3 grubs shortly before pupation, but it's been pushing six months now that some of them have been in the pupal cells. Are they gone? Or is this still within the range or normal diapause? Yes - Chrysina tend to have a very long larval diapause after making their cells - well over half a year. Following this, the actual pre-pupal and pupal stages aren't particularly long. What species are you working with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuissettHouse Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 I’m working with both beyeri and woodii. I’ve run out of the sandy/clay soil mix and my woodii are going to be pupating soon, so I wanted to know if there was an online source. But the beyeri are the ones pupating now, and still in diapause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynastes TItyus hunter Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 You can buy the clay from here. ttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01L11YDQ8/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B01L11YDQ8&linkCode=as2&tag=bugsincyber03-20&linkId=5c6f96133a1928ea6667101b85cb1b58 I've been using that product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuissettHouse Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Thanks for the link. I would assume that's the BIC affiliate link, so I'll buy some from there. I also saw that the Insect Brothers have their own clay substrate so I'll likely buy some of that as well, just to have plenty for the future. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowfin2na Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 I am in Texas and we have clay soil. I used the clay from my back yard and it is working fine. I made sure to dig down over a foot so in an area that I know hasn't been exposed to pesticides. So far it looks like all of my larva except two are in chambers finally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuissettHouse Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 On 1/25/2021 at 10:06 PM, Yellowfin2na said: I am in Texas and we have clay soil. I used the clay from my back yard and it is working fine. I made sure to dig down over a foot so in an area that I know hasn't been exposed to pesticides. So far it looks like all of my larva except two are in chambers finally. That makes sense. Where I live we have no clay soil whatsoever so I’m doomed to order it online, but I’ve discovered that mixing well washed sand and soil together has actually worked super well. My beyeri pupated in that just fine. Unfortunately I’m not in a position to make more right at this moment so I bought some off of Insect Brothers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_cream_man Posted May 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 @Goliathus When these finish pupating will they climb out of the soil on their own or should/could I dig them out? I looked in and it seems like at least one emerged from it's pupal cell, the others I don't have a window in to see though :c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goliathus Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 5 hours ago, the_cream_man said: @Goliathus When these finish pupating will they climb out of the soil on their own or should/could I dig them out? I looked in and it seems like at least one emerged from it's pupal cell, the others I don't have a window in to see though :c Yes, the adults will emerge on their own, once they are fully hardened and become active. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Moth Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 I might be running into similar issues with Lucanus Elaphus. I didn't fill the containers to the top. They do not come to the top anymore. They been under the clay for about 1.5 months. But hasn't make cells. Looks like they are getting close to pupate in the tunnel. They are yellow, moving slow and takes characteristics of a pupa's movement. What should i do at this point? Take them out and start over? Leave it in the tunnel or wait for it to be prepupa and made an artificial cell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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QuissettHouse Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 29 minutes ago, Fire Moth said: What should i do at this point? Nothing would be my recommendation. There's no reason to assume there's anything wrong, it sounds, though I've never heard of needing a clay layer for stags(?)... I've always just used flake soil and chunks of wood for the few that I've raised. I would defer to anyone with more experience, but I'd say just leave them be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Moth Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuissettHouse Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Have you worked with the species much before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Moth Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 First time with any beetles. I am rearing along with my goliathus. In my Lucanus Elaphus group one thats in a bigger container with deeper clay has already been a pupa for 13 days. The others are just lagging behind. Wonder if they doesn't like the setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 All of my 9 Lucanus Elaphus larvae have been in their pupal cells for over 6 months now. Leave your larvae where they are. No need to take them out. If they dislike the condition they will come out of the soil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Moth Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Thanks Oak. I can sleep well now 🤠 2 minutes ago, Oak said: All of my 9 Lucanus Elaphus larvae have been in their pupal cells for over 6 months now. Leave your larvae where they are. No need to take them out. If they dislike the condition they will come out of the soil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuissettHouse Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 That was my assessment of the situation as well, thank you for weighing in Oak. Out of curiosity, have you ever used clay for them? Also Fire Moth my understanding is that you're almost always better off leaving the grubs in their cells, unless there's a real issue, you shouldn't take them out for an artificial one. Especially before they pupate, then you risk disturbing them to where they never pupate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, QuissettHouse said: That was my assessment of the situation as well, thank you for weighing in Oak. Out of curiosity, have you ever used clay for them? Also Fire Moth my understanding is that you're almost always better off leaving the grubs in their cells, unless there's a real issue, you shouldn't take them out for an artificial one. Especially before they pupate, then you risk disturbing them to where they never pupate My Lucanus elaphus larvae kept surfacing when there was only flake soil present but when I provided them a mix of sand/clay, they happily made their pupal cells. However I know that some people manage to get them to pupate without clay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goliathus Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 7 hours ago, Oak said: My Lucanus elaphus larvae kept surfacing when there was only flake soil present but when I provided them a mix of sand/clay, they happily made their pupal cells. However I know that some people manage to get them to pupate without clay. I've had elaphus larvae build cells in both flake soil as well as clay, but in the wild, they definitely make earthen cells, rather than in the wood in which they develop. I'm not sure what particular kind of soil composition is ideal for this species, though. They might possibly prefer soil that is more sandy than clayey, or somewhere in between, so it's probably good that you mixed some sand and clay together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_cream_man Posted June 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 @Goliathussorry to keep poking you with questions-- I just had my first two glorious emerge!! My first beetles ever and they look great!! Do they eat anything besides juniper and should I put something wet with them so they can drink?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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