Eleodes hispilabris Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 If brother and sister beetles breed, will their larvae have a higher chance of deformities, or are they different from us? Over long terms, will they produce less larvae, (or more unhealthy ones)? Is this usually not a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmosphere Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Never tried it. Only bred fresh beetles, no inbreds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleodes hispilabris Posted September 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Ok, Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hisserdude Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Inbreeding generally isn't a problem with insects, and the genetic diversity eventually gets higher with each generation, at least if you are rearing more and more to adulthood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmont Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 I agree with hisserDude there generally isn't a problem just select the largest males and females to breed. Butterflies can only be inbread for a few generations before they get sickly and to small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmosphere Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Also, I had a friend breed a monster Dynastes hercules hercules with its sister. Their offspring came out with curved horns, but that's normal to happen sometimes. The others were all perfect. They also did not move much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoAnimalBre Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 Pleas don't listen to most people that commented on here. Inbreeding in most insects such as beetles is bad. You could breed sister and brother but overtime if you continue doing it they will die out. But you should be able to do it up to F4-5. Id add new genes after that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmosphere Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 Yea, always try and use different genes. I never bred a brother and sister together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleodes hispilabris Posted September 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Does anyone know the scientific reason for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hisserdude Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Pleas don't listen to most people that commented on here. Inbreeding in most insects such as beetles is bad. You could breed sister and brother but overtime if you continue doing it they will die out. But you should be able to do it up to F4-5. Id add new genes after that I've bred several Tenebrionid species for several generations, many of which started out with a single female, and they are still going strong despite the initial inbreeding... It could depend on the species, but "inbreeding" is usually an excuse people use for when their cultures die out for seemingly no reason, when many times husbandry issues are simply to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmosphere Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just remembered! I had a few pairs of Atlas beetles around a year ago. They were brothers and sisters; the guy didn't use fresh bloodlines for years before this. The beetles were slow moving and would not breed. They also died much earlier than they were suppose to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacimas Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 Does anyone know the scientific reason for this? Supposedly, protracted close inbreeding forces recessive genes - most of which are adverse - to manifest. Please note, however, that I'm not a geneticist nor do I play one on TV. Clearly, long-term inbreeding never harmed European royals: just look at illustrious rulers like Charles II of Spain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewrune Posted September 18, 2017 Report Share Posted September 18, 2017 In breeding is an issue in the long run for rhinos and stags. you can get deformities and high death rate. some stags can go over F7 without any problem, but some will have problems starting F3. Because of this, beetle shops in Asia tries to import wild beetles so they can "refresh" the genes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Beetles Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Yeah, that's what I thought...If you're broke, and all you're surviving is by beetle sales, you only have one option before you borrow from Gov't--INBREEDING!...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinswither Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I would say, I'd try to get as high of a population feasible as possible. Like around lets say 7 pairs of adult beetles to stabilize the population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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